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		<title>By: Estevan Montoya</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/web-design-for-gods-audience-learning-from-church-web-development/#comment-949912</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Estevan Montoya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a pastor I find that churches need to be where people are. As a graphic designer, I find that when people find you, whether business websites or church websites, you need to have a clean image. Making websites for churches is important to being relevant as we portray the timeless Gospel. We don&#039;t need anymore websites that were made by someone that &quot;wanted to be a blessing&quot;, but has no idea what they are doing. Thanks for the article in insight of people that make church websites!

Pastor Estevan Montoya]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a pastor I find that churches need to be where people are. As a graphic designer, I find that when people find you, whether business websites or church websites, you need to have a clean image. Making websites for churches is important to being relevant as we portray the timeless Gospel. We don&#8217;t need anymore websites that were made by someone that &#8220;wanted to be a blessing&#8221;, but has no idea what they are doing. Thanks for the article in insight of people that make church websites!</p>
<p>Pastor Estevan Montoya</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/web-design-for-gods-audience-learning-from-church-web-development/#comment-929377</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 08:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just recently got a church as a client and this was helpful.  It&#039;s a strange market to be designing for as you mentioned they want very lavish design elements.  This one even wants a lead form.  But thanks for your post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just recently got a church as a client and this was helpful.  It&#8217;s a strange market to be designing for as you mentioned they want very lavish design elements.  This one even wants a lead form.  But thanks for your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 20:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all let me say that this was a great post. Recently I&#039;ve been writing a blog for a client who is trying to advertise to churches (among other business segments). So I&#039;ve had to deal with some of these concerns you mentioned from the opposite end of things and it has been challenging finding topics and language that specifically speak to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all let me say that this was a great post. Recently I&#8217;ve been writing a blog for a client who is trying to advertise to churches (among other business segments). So I&#8217;ve had to deal with some of these concerns you mentioned from the opposite end of things and it has been challenging finding topics and language that specifically speak to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Webdesign tutorials and guidelines on wordpress.com blogs &#171; iwan 7 blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Webdesign tutorials and guidelines on wordpress.com blogs &#171; iwan 7 blogger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 05:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/web-design-for-gods-audience-learning-from-church-web-development/#comment-925250</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I look at a church’s image, I have a big interest in visitor’s perspective. What is it like from an outsiders view when they visit the church’s website, first drive into a church’s parking lot or walk through the front doors? Most likely they have a lot of questions. Where do I go? Where can I sit? Is it safe to leave my kids here? Is it okay that I’m wearing jean shorts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I look at a church’s image, I have a big interest in visitor’s perspective. What is it like from an outsiders view when they visit the church’s website, first drive into a church’s parking lot or walk through the front doors? Most likely they have a lot of questions. Where do I go? Where can I sit? Is it safe to leave my kids here? Is it okay that I’m wearing jean shorts?</p>
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		<title>By: Roussel</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/web-design-for-gods-audience-learning-from-church-web-development/#comment-922165</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roussel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks for all the good work... May God bless you and your family]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for all the good work&#8230; May God bless you and your family</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Chong</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/web-design-for-gods-audience-learning-from-church-web-development/#comment-921192</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Chong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 02:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are running a system called Sky at our church.  I wish we would have done wordpress as it is much more SEO friendly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are running a system called Sky at our church.  I wish we would have done wordpress as it is much more SEO friendly.</p>
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		<title>By: Sal</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/web-design-for-gods-audience-learning-from-church-web-development/#comment-915785</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for information provided. I&#039;m not so good in church marketing but it was very interesting to know more about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for information provided. I&#8217;m not so good in church marketing but it was very interesting to know more about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Scott</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/web-design-for-gods-audience-learning-from-church-web-development/#comment-915343</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Lorelle - enjoyed your post and came across it while reading  your slides from WordCamp Whistler ... as fyi, I&#039;ve been building several sites for churches here in New England ... one of my first was http://www.saintpatrickbridgeport.com and yes, they use WordPress ... two things, 1 serious, the 2nd funny but lets start first with the funny thing ...

When I first sat down with this account (after I secured the contract), we got together with the primary site stakeholders for what I refer to as &quot;VisionShaping&quot; meeting ... during these VisionShaping meetings, I try to equalize the knowledge base of the various players since everybody has different technical (or not technical) set of skills and understanding ... these meetings are also part of capturing the intersecting business, communication/brand, and technical drivers ... during this meeting, after introductions were made I asked the Pastor if he wanted to go first or me in combing thru the various agenda items ... he stopped me and said, &quot;We&#039;ll go first&quot; and with that they said a prayer for their new vendor (me) and our success ... I was blown away (a good thing) in that they were actually praying for me ... I told them latter that normally most of my clients are beating me up on pricing and timing and this was first time I had a positive, prayerful account commencement ... thus the funny thing is, can you imagine if all of corporate America actually took that approach (prayed for highest good) vs the political back stabbing, ego centric alpha-persona approach so common with too many but I digress ...

The 2nd part of the meeting and real reason for this post is about getting in touch with real brand value and not just design ... During the VisionShaping process, I often ask questions that sometimes seem really basic like &quot;who is your customer and what do we know about them...&quot; ... When I asked this congregation that question, they actually laughed and said, &quot;Chuck that is really a good question.&quot; ... turns out they have multiple customers ... teens are one, wedding couples are another, death and funerals another, etc ... So then we got to the part of what is unique about their &quot;brand&quot; and one of the things we unveiled was their prayer line ... They had active phone tree of 40-plus clergy and volunteers so we said, &quot;hmm. what if we automate that process and create a corresponding web application.&quot; ... the rest is history, a year plus later, over 1000 e.prayers and their site is getting prayer requests from around the world ... e.g., people in Ireland asking for help with depression, people from Ohio who lost their only son asking for prayers to deal with their grief, etc. ... 

I&#039;ve found over the years building and designing sites, that many teams get lost in the juice of design - the wow cool factors of flash, etc, when in reality the coolest part of design is getting in touch with an organizations core capabilities, then mapping that to the web ... yes, good design is critical, but information design, that process of getting in touch with a brand&#039;s &quot;value proposition&quot; then designing around that = killer win (IMHO) ...

And in spirit of gratitude, thank you for your WordCamp slides and the heads up with Woopra - bravo! ... here&#039;s wishing you all to best of ongoing success in 2009 and beyond :&gt;) cordially, chuck scott

ps - when designing the prayer line application, we borrowed from e.commerce code but had to be sensitive to wording like &quot;Click here to checkout&quot; as often people pray for themselves and &quot;checking out&quot; might be the very thing they are praying for that does not happen :&gt;0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lorelle &#8211; enjoyed your post and came across it while reading  your slides from WordCamp Whistler &#8230; as fyi, I&#8217;ve been building several sites for churches here in New England &#8230; one of my first was <a href="http://www.saintpatrickbridgeport.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saintpatrickbridgeport.com</a> and yes, they use WordPress &#8230; two things, 1 serious, the 2nd funny but lets start first with the funny thing &#8230;</p>
<p>When I first sat down with this account (after I secured the contract), we got together with the primary site stakeholders for what I refer to as &#8220;VisionShaping&#8221; meeting &#8230; during these VisionShaping meetings, I try to equalize the knowledge base of the various players since everybody has different technical (or not technical) set of skills and understanding &#8230; these meetings are also part of capturing the intersecting business, communication/brand, and technical drivers &#8230; during this meeting, after introductions were made I asked the Pastor if he wanted to go first or me in combing thru the various agenda items &#8230; he stopped me and said, &#8220;We&#8217;ll go first&#8221; and with that they said a prayer for their new vendor (me) and our success &#8230; I was blown away (a good thing) in that they were actually praying for me &#8230; I told them latter that normally most of my clients are beating me up on pricing and timing and this was first time I had a positive, prayerful account commencement &#8230; thus the funny thing is, can you imagine if all of corporate America actually took that approach (prayed for highest good) vs the political back stabbing, ego centric alpha-persona approach so common with too many but I digress &#8230;</p>
<p>The 2nd part of the meeting and real reason for this post is about getting in touch with real brand value and not just design &#8230; During the VisionShaping process, I often ask questions that sometimes seem really basic like &#8220;who is your customer and what do we know about them&#8230;&#8221; &#8230; When I asked this congregation that question, they actually laughed and said, &#8220;Chuck that is really a good question.&#8221; &#8230; turns out they have multiple customers &#8230; teens are one, wedding couples are another, death and funerals another, etc &#8230; So then we got to the part of what is unique about their &#8220;brand&#8221; and one of the things we unveiled was their prayer line &#8230; They had active phone tree of 40-plus clergy and volunteers so we said, &#8220;hmm. what if we automate that process and create a corresponding web application.&#8221; &#8230; the rest is history, a year plus later, over 1000 e.prayers and their site is getting prayer requests from around the world &#8230; e.g., people in Ireland asking for help with depression, people from Ohio who lost their only son asking for prayers to deal with their grief, etc. &#8230; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found over the years building and designing sites, that many teams get lost in the juice of design &#8211; the wow cool factors of flash, etc, when in reality the coolest part of design is getting in touch with an organizations core capabilities, then mapping that to the web &#8230; yes, good design is critical, but information design, that process of getting in touch with a brand&#8217;s &#8220;value proposition&#8221; then designing around that = killer win (IMHO) &#8230;</p>
<p>And in spirit of gratitude, thank you for your WordCamp slides and the heads up with Woopra &#8211; bravo! &#8230; here&#8217;s wishing you all to best of ongoing success in 2009 and beyond :&gt;) cordially, chuck scott</p>
<p>ps &#8211; when designing the prayer line application, we borrowed from e.commerce code but had to be sensitive to wording like &#8220;Click here to checkout&#8221; as often people pray for themselves and &#8220;checking out&#8221; might be the very thing they are praying for that does not happen :&gt;0</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/web-design-for-gods-audience-learning-from-church-web-development/#comment-915253</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this great post Lorelle! This might be exactly what I have been looking for.

Recently I was saved by Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit has told me to make a blog about how to help other people also get saved. I have been praying for inspiration. Perhaps this answers my prayers.

I want this new blog to be eye-catching. I want it to get people&#039;s attention. I do believe that content is king, however, it is important to have a good design, so people don&#039;t just pass over the blog for something else, especially if the content is important. In this case, I believe that it is God&#039;s will, so obviously it is extremely important.

It is interesting to note the church designs as something unexpected. When you think of church, typically you thing of colored glass windows, crucifixes, and while all of that is great, it is also important to remember that the point of this is to appeal to the target audience, which is of course, young people -- people without much religious experience (yet).

Kudos to your post Lorelle. Great work. I hope that this helps me in my journey.

And by the way, I just want to mention that this does not need to just apply to wordpress. I&#039;m actually going to be using Blogger as my platform for this blog, as instructed by the Holy Spirit. I do not see the platform as being the relevant issue though.

God bless you and your family.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this great post Lorelle! This might be exactly what I have been looking for.</p>
<p>Recently I was saved by Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit has told me to make a blog about how to help other people also get saved. I have been praying for inspiration. Perhaps this answers my prayers.</p>
<p>I want this new blog to be eye-catching. I want it to get people&#8217;s attention. I do believe that content is king, however, it is important to have a good design, so people don&#8217;t just pass over the blog for something else, especially if the content is important. In this case, I believe that it is God&#8217;s will, so obviously it is extremely important.</p>
<p>It is interesting to note the church designs as something unexpected. When you think of church, typically you thing of colored glass windows, crucifixes, and while all of that is great, it is also important to remember that the point of this is to appeal to the target audience, which is of course, young people &#8212; people without much religious experience (yet).</p>
<p>Kudos to your post Lorelle. Great work. I hope that this helps me in my journey.</p>
<p>And by the way, I just want to mention that this does not need to just apply to wordpress. I&#8217;m actually going to be using Blogger as my platform for this blog, as instructed by the Holy Spirit. I do not see the platform as being the relevant issue though.</p>
<p>God bless you and your family.</p>
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