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		<title>By: Father Knows Best When It Comes To Links - This Month In SEO - 6/08 &#124; TheVanBlog &#124; Van SEO Design</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/when-a-comment-requires-the-honest-truth/#comment-905999</link>
		<dc:creator>Father Knows Best When It Comes To Links - This Month In SEO - 6/08 &#124; TheVanBlog &#124; Van SEO Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When a Comment Requires the Honest Truth [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BillinDetroit</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/when-a-comment-requires-the-honest-truth/#comment-904352</link>
		<dc:creator>BillinDetroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 08:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lorelle, why not just point them to the W3C validator and suggest that they, or a competent coder, follow up on that result? You might, for instance, point out one or two specific errors that have quick fixes as a means of getting them to see how the W3C validator is a useful tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorelle, why not just point them to the W3C validator and suggest that they, or a competent coder, follow up on that result? You might, for instance, point out one or two specific errors that have quick fixes as a means of getting them to see how the W3C validator is a useful tool.</p>
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		<title>By: The Honest Truth is that W3C Validation is Pure Bunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Honest Truth is that W3C Validation is Pure Bunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;[Your website] is based upon pre-1999 design practices which means it is eight years out-of-date.&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/when-a-comment-requires-the-honest-truth/#comment-902496</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 08:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It stills puzzles me how many people manage to create non valid html and I'm not talking about xhtml strict. It's quite simple you have to remember just a few rules:
- An inline element can't contain a block element;
- Always close your tags (most html editors do that for you)
- Put every inline element into a block element (div).
- When writing attributes use the format name="value" and always use lower case if it's xhtml.
- Last but not least when you put a size, also put the measure unit.

OK there are more but these are little bits to remember. To make it even easy, I'm testing my designs in firefox with the Html Validator extension that shows me how valid is the current page and points out the errors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It stills puzzles me how many people manage to create non valid html and I&#8217;m not talking about xhtml strict. It&#8217;s quite simple you have to remember just a few rules:<br />
- An inline element can&#8217;t contain a block element;<br />
- Always close your tags (most html editors do that for you)<br />
- Put every inline element into a block element (div).<br />
- When writing attributes use the format name=&#8221;value&#8221; and always use lower case if it&#8217;s xhtml.<br />
- Last but not least when you put a size, also put the measure unit.</p>
<p>OK there are more but these are little bits to remember. To make it even easy, I&#8217;m testing my designs in firefox with the Html Validator extension that shows me how valid is the current page and points out the errors.</p>
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		<title>By: Beloy (Mini-News)</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/when-a-comment-requires-the-honest-truth/#comment-902456</link>
		<dc:creator>Beloy (Mini-News)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lorelle, 
I probably need to apologize for taking this discussion away from main topic of your post.

"Anyone can use their own overriding design with IE or FireFox".
Your word "overriding" here means ability to CHANGE it a little bit (e.g., font size, color; in short - stylesheet). While I'm talking about opportunity to REPLACE it with anything I want! Including (or not including) your advertising.

"Actually, 220K in today’s web pages is tiny".
Nevertheless, I would prefer to open 6K of your text instead :) ! Although you are not in Ukraine, you used to say you're on mobile connection. So, you could benefit from faster download too! BTW, my webpages are under 10K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorelle,<br />
I probably need to apologize for taking this discussion away from main topic of your post.</p>
<p>&#8220;Anyone can use their own overriding design with IE or FireFox&#8221;.<br />
Your word &#8220;overriding&#8221; here means ability to CHANGE it a little bit (e.g., font size, color; in short - stylesheet). While I&#8217;m talking about opportunity to REPLACE it with anything I want! Including (or not including) your advertising.</p>
<p>&#8220;Actually, 220K in today’s web pages is tiny&#8221;.<br />
Nevertheless, I would prefer to open 6K of your text instead <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ! Although you are not in Ukraine, you used to say you&#8217;re on mobile connection. So, you could benefit from faster download too! BTW, my webpages are under 10K.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Sisk Schelin</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/when-a-comment-requires-the-honest-truth/#comment-902436</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl Sisk Schelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... interesting post. Truth be told, while I'm just as tempted as anyone to lash out to someone who's been rude to me, I've reluctantly come to the conclusion it doesn't make me feel any better in the long run. 

It might sound high and mighty to some -- it really isn't, just the opposite (humility in that I'm not any better than anyone else and haven't earned the right to put down a fellow human) -- but I try to hold myself to a stricter standard. I believe in the Golden Rule both on and offline. 

But the way I see it, someone who genuinely asks for help and doesn't cop an attitude never deserves to be treated harshly. If I don't have time to help them, I'll try to point them in the direction of someone who can -- and I'll do it nicely. Or I won't do it at all. (There's that other pesky but entirely correct little rule Mom passed down...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; interesting post. Truth be told, while I&#8217;m just as tempted as anyone to lash out to someone who&#8217;s been rude to me, I&#8217;ve reluctantly come to the conclusion it doesn&#8217;t make me feel any better in the long run. </p>
<p>It might sound high and mighty to some &#8212; it really isn&#8217;t, just the opposite (humility in that I&#8217;m not any better than anyone else and haven&#8217;t earned the right to put down a fellow human) &#8212; but I try to hold myself to a stricter standard. I believe in the Golden Rule both on and offline. </p>
<p>But the way I see it, someone who genuinely asks for help and doesn&#8217;t cop an attitude never deserves to be treated harshly. If I don&#8217;t have time to help them, I&#8217;ll try to point them in the direction of someone who can &#8212; and I&#8217;ll do it nicely. Or I won&#8217;t do it at all. (There&#8217;s that other pesky but entirely correct little rule Mom passed down&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Lorelle VanFossen</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/when-a-comment-requires-the-honest-truth/#comment-902434</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorelle VanFossen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href="http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/when-a-comment-requires-the-honest-truth/#comment-902421" rel="nofollow"&gt; Beloy (Mini-News)&lt;/a&gt;:

Actually, 220K in today's web pages is tiny. What you are adding up is not code, nor is it just text. It is the size of the images, and I have very few images and keep them very small, and the front page with 15 posts displayed, most of them full text pageviews, is not an equal opportunity example, nor relative to every page on my site. It's just the front page. Proportion is as important as perspective.

Also, with WordPress sites, if you strip out the content, there is very little code to sift through. Spelling is not checked by HTML validators. :D 

Of all the blogging services, WordPress.com is the least bloated. I also don't understand your last paragraph. Anyone can use their own overriding design with IE or FireFox, especially if they have vision issues, which is the mark of a well designed website to permit such abilities in compliance with web standards for accessibility. Content and format (architecture) are required web standards for web design, of which all WordPress Themes should comply with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/when-a-comment-requires-the-honest-truth/#comment-902421" rel="nofollow"> Beloy (Mini-News)</a>:</p>
<p>Actually, 220K in today&#8217;s web pages is tiny. What you are adding up is not code, nor is it just text. It is the size of the images, and I have very few images and keep them very small, and the front page with 15 posts displayed, most of them full text pageviews, is not an equal opportunity example, nor relative to every page on my site. It&#8217;s just the front page. Proportion is as important as perspective.</p>
<p>Also, with WordPress sites, if you strip out the content, there is very little code to sift through. Spelling is not checked by HTML validators. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Of all the blogging services, WordPress.com is the least bloated. I also don&#8217;t understand your last paragraph. Anyone can use their own overriding design with IE or FireFox, especially if they have vision issues, which is the mark of a well designed website to permit such abilities in compliance with web standards for accessibility. Content and format (architecture) are required web standards for web design, of which all WordPress Themes should comply with.</p>
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		<title>By: Beloy (Mini-News)</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/when-a-comment-requires-the-honest-truth/#comment-902421</link>
		<dc:creator>Beloy (Mini-News)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve got the point, Lorelle. Yet … Here is a “humor tempered with truth” version of my responding to your example of responding: 

How your current post, which is about 6 Kb of text, has “landed” on a webpage with HTML source code of 60 Kb, — and the total size over 220 Kb?!!

Formatting code should NOT exceed main content in such proportions!
Have you looked under the hood of your lovely :) WordPress (no doubt, - one of the best in the industry)! And you are telling us about possible errors on other websites? :(
It’s quite easy to check for misspellings a few paragraphs of these comments (hopefuly, i’ve made less than 250 errors :). But debugging several HUNDREDS Kb of computer code looks a slightly more time consuming task…
However, I understand that discussing the “honest truth” about popular, yet hugely *bloated* blogging services might be off the topic here. So, for now I would recommend the following.

Let webpage’s visitors using their own HTML design:
Distribute Content and Formatting SEPARATELY!
See my website as a live demo for this idea:
http://Mini-News.com/concepts/mini-sharing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve got the point, Lorelle. Yet … Here is a “humor tempered with truth” version of my responding to your example of responding: </p>
<p>How your current post, which is about 6 Kb of text, has “landed” on a webpage with HTML source code of 60 Kb, — and the total size over 220 Kb?!!</p>
<p>Formatting code should NOT exceed main content in such proportions!<br />
Have you looked under the hood of your lovely <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> WordPress (no doubt, - one of the best in the industry)! And you are telling us about possible errors on other websites? <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
It’s quite easy to check for misspellings a few paragraphs of these comments (hopefuly, i’ve made less than 250 errors :). But debugging several HUNDREDS Kb of computer code looks a slightly more time consuming task…<br />
However, I understand that discussing the “honest truth” about popular, yet hugely *bloated* blogging services might be off the topic here. So, for now I would recommend the following.</p>
<p>Let webpage’s visitors using their own HTML design:<br />
Distribute Content and Formatting SEPARATELY!<br />
See my website as a live demo for this idea:<br />
<a href="http://Mini-News.com/concepts/mini-sharing" rel="nofollow">http://Mini-News.com/concepts/mini-sharing</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lorelle VanFossen</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/when-a-comment-requires-the-honest-truth/#comment-902305</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorelle VanFossen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 19:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href="http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/when-a-comment-requires-the-honest-truth/#comment-902291" rel="nofollow"&gt; Mari-Nanci&lt;/a&gt;:

Yes, thank you. These are the responsibly of WordPress.com and they have been reported. I have no control over the architecture of WordPress.com and their Themes. 

The number of errors, which are minor, my site has is not the point of the post. I hope you got the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/when-a-comment-requires-the-honest-truth/#comment-902291" rel="nofollow"> Mari-Nanci</a>:</p>
<p>Yes, thank you. These are the responsibly of WordPress.com and they have been reported. I have no control over the architecture of WordPress.com and their Themes. </p>
<p>The number of errors, which are minor, my site has is not the point of the post. I hope you got the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Mari-Nanci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mari-Nanci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 16:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Lorelle, the validation site gives this=your site, 132 errors.  ???????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Lorelle, the validation site gives this=your site, 132 errors.  ???????????</p>
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