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		<title>By: Why do people blog? &#171; amitGupta</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that all blogs must have a comments. Cuz I have my opinion for some problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that all blogs must have a comments. Cuz I have my opinion for some problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorelle VanFossen</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/point-and-counterpoint-in-mistakes-beginner-bloggers-make/#comment-670650</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorelle VanFossen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;J. Lynne:&lt;/strong&gt; Indeed, I&#039;ve given up on all password requiring registration comments. As for the issue of deleting your comments, take care in being too presumptive. Comments often do not appear because of many reasons. They could have been caught by spam filters, a common thing, and then not caught as a false positive. If it is important for your comment to appear, and it doesn&#039;t, why not contact the blogger to let them know. It&#039;s hard work going through comment spam to find the good ones, so some are often missed.

Regretfully, some comments are caught by moderation and bloggers don&#039;t pay attention. WordPress blogs lists moderated comments in their Comments panel, but some don&#039;t. They have to visit that specific panel to see what&#039;s being held back. Laziness or forgetfulness can be the reason.

There are also many bugs in some versions of WordPress, WordPress Plugins and other blogging programs, especially those which use CAPTCHAs and other torture tests that can cause comments to be lost. It happens. Even to me.

None of these are justification or excuses, just facts on the ground. Still, a blogger has a right to control comments on their blog, and commenters have a right to leave the best &quot;quality&quot; comments they can that continue the conversation. I wrote about this in &lt;a href=&quot;http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/how-not-to-comment-on-comments/&quot; title=&quot;How NOT to Comment on Comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How NOT to Comment on Comments&lt;/a&gt;. 

I will never do or say anything that will take away a bloggers right to control comments, which are content, on their blogs. I will however, continue to work to educate commenters to not waste a blogger or reader&#039;s time with &quot;Thank you for this interesting point&quot; or &quot;Seems interesting. I&#039;ve now subscribed to your blog.&quot;  Sorry, &lt;strong&gt;Reztar&lt;/strong&gt;, but that&#039;s the truth. While these may seen compliments, such comments do not continue the conversation and are often seen as ways to get link juice and attention rather than truly entering into the spirit of the dialog.

But thank you just the same. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>J. Lynne:</strong> Indeed, I&#8217;ve given up on all password requiring registration comments. As for the issue of deleting your comments, take care in being too presumptive. Comments often do not appear because of many reasons. They could have been caught by spam filters, a common thing, and then not caught as a false positive. If it is important for your comment to appear, and it doesn&#8217;t, why not contact the blogger to let them know. It&#8217;s hard work going through comment spam to find the good ones, so some are often missed.</p>
<p>Regretfully, some comments are caught by moderation and bloggers don&#8217;t pay attention. WordPress blogs lists moderated comments in their Comments panel, but some don&#8217;t. They have to visit that specific panel to see what&#8217;s being held back. Laziness or forgetfulness can be the reason.</p>
<p>There are also many bugs in some versions of WordPress, WordPress Plugins and other blogging programs, especially those which use CAPTCHAs and other torture tests that can cause comments to be lost. It happens. Even to me.</p>
<p>None of these are justification or excuses, just facts on the ground. Still, a blogger has a right to control comments on their blog, and commenters have a right to leave the best &#8220;quality&#8221; comments they can that continue the conversation. I wrote about this in <a href="http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/how-not-to-comment-on-comments/" title="How NOT to Comment on Comments" rel="nofollow">How NOT to Comment on Comments</a>. </p>
<p>I will never do or say anything that will take away a bloggers right to control comments, which are content, on their blogs. I will however, continue to work to educate commenters to not waste a blogger or reader&#8217;s time with &#8220;Thank you for this interesting point&#8221; or &#8220;Seems interesting. I&#8217;ve now subscribed to your blog.&#8221;  Sorry, <strong>Reztar</strong>, but that&#8217;s the truth. While these may seen compliments, such comments do not continue the conversation and are often seen as ways to get link juice and attention rather than truly entering into the spirit of the dialog.</p>
<p>But thank you just the same. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reztar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reztar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just came to your blog from wpdesigner site. Nice found for me.  Seems to be an interesting blog Lerelle. You got a new subscribed reader.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came to your blog from wpdesigner site. Nice found for me.  Seems to be an interesting blog Lerelle. You got a new subscribed reader.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Lynne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Lynne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for writing this.  I cannot tell you how many times I&#039;ve been frustrated by blogs that require you to register.  I have to remember enough passwords as it is.  I don&#039;t want to learn one more.  It especially annoys me when it&#039;s a self-hosted blog.  At least with the blogger ones, I&#039;ve finally just given in and resolved myself to getting a sign-on just to leave comments.

The other thing that bothers me is the people who delete my comments; I can only suppose they do this because they didn&#039;t like what I had to say when I don&#039;t agree with them.  Apparently not everyone wants real dialog on their blog.  I don&#039;t believe I&#039;m rude or overly insulting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for writing this.  I cannot tell you how many times I&#8217;ve been frustrated by blogs that require you to register.  I have to remember enough passwords as it is.  I don&#8217;t want to learn one more.  It especially annoys me when it&#8217;s a self-hosted blog.  At least with the blogger ones, I&#8217;ve finally just given in and resolved myself to getting a sign-on just to leave comments.</p>
<p>The other thing that bothers me is the people who delete my comments; I can only suppose they do this because they didn&#8217;t like what I had to say when I don&#8217;t agree with them.  Apparently not everyone wants real dialog on their blog.  I don&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m rude or overly insulting.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorelle VanFossen</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/point-and-counterpoint-in-mistakes-beginner-bloggers-make/#comment-669883</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorelle VanFossen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Rick:&lt;/strong&gt; I&#039;ve &lt;a href=&quot;http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2007/03/27/blog-comments-on-or-off-and-why/&quot; title=&quot;On or Off and Why&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;written about the issue of having comments on or off&lt;/a&gt; on blogs and there are some blogs that don&#039;t need comments. It&#039;s the blogger&#039;s choice. Some may want them, and some may not. But the ones that do want them, and then put up obstacles in the commenter&#039;s way to comment, those people aren&#039;t afraid of the comments, they want to control comment spam, and that&#039;s not &lt;a href=&quot;http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/im-winning-the-battle-against-comment-spam/&quot; title=&quot;I’m Winning the Battle Against Comment Spam&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the right method&lt;/a&gt;. I&#039;m with you on that.

&lt;strong&gt;Michael:&lt;/strong&gt; There is a lot of clutter on blogs that can go, including the meta links and such, but blog stats are &lt;em&gt;known&lt;/em&gt; fakes so reader don&#039;t take them seriously. And if you do...a blog is worth its weight in honors if the content meets your needs. Stats mean little to serious readers if your blogs meets their needs.

They are great gimmicks though, but totally unnecessary. I&#039;m proof.

The ONLY reason the Akismet stats are shown on my blog, and they&#039;ve only been there for a short time, is because Matt Mullenweg asked me to display them. It&#039;s not enough I write tons of articles promoting the snot out of Akismet, which I adore, he wants a mini-ad, too. :D

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Rick:</strong> I&#8217;ve <a href="http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2007/03/27/blog-comments-on-or-off-and-why/" title="On or Off and Why" rel="nofollow">written about the issue of having comments on or off</a> on blogs and there are some blogs that don&#8217;t need comments. It&#8217;s the blogger&#8217;s choice. Some may want them, and some may not. But the ones that do want them, and then put up obstacles in the commenter&#8217;s way to comment, those people aren&#8217;t afraid of the comments, they want to control comment spam, and that&#8217;s not <a href="http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/im-winning-the-battle-against-comment-spam/" title="I’m Winning the Battle Against Comment Spam" rel="nofollow">the right method</a>. I&#8217;m with you on that.</p>
<p><strong>Michael:</strong> There is a lot of clutter on blogs that can go, including the meta links and such, but blog stats are <em>known</em> fakes so reader don&#8217;t take them seriously. And if you do&#8230;a blog is worth its weight in honors if the content meets your needs. Stats mean little to serious readers if your blogs meets their needs.</p>
<p>They are great gimmicks though, but totally unnecessary. I&#8217;m proof.</p>
<p>The ONLY reason the Akismet stats are shown on my blog, and they&#8217;ve only been there for a short time, is because Matt Mullenweg asked me to display them. It&#8217;s not enough I write tons of articles promoting the snot out of Akismet, which I adore, he wants a mini-ad, too. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sync</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Sync]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your reply. Lorelle..

Yeah. Your site is the example of &quot;successful&quot; non-self hosted blog..

&gt;&gt;Not big deals, and certainly of no interest to him, but the rest of us who had to be near him cared - a lot (holding our noses).

If we have some sidebars like Meta (Site Admin, Logout) or SPAM BLOCKED in our blog then we can say that those sidebars are no value for readers.. but why stats? stats can make the readers impressed about our blog.. they may probably guess whether a particular blog is worth to read or not... i understand that it is not 100% accurate but they at least can guess whether our blog is well-visited or not.. :) 

Just my opinion, :) Thanks..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your reply. Lorelle..</p>
<p>Yeah. Your site is the example of &#8220;successful&#8221; non-self hosted blog..</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Not big deals, and certainly of no interest to him, but the rest of us who had to be near him cared &#8211; a lot (holding our noses).</p>
<p>If we have some sidebars like Meta (Site Admin, Logout) or SPAM BLOCKED in our blog then we can say that those sidebars are no value for readers.. but why stats? stats can make the readers impressed about our blog.. they may probably guess whether a particular blog is worth to read or not&#8230; i understand that it is not 100% accurate but they at least can guess whether our blog is well-visited or not.. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Just my opinion, <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks..</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate blogs that have comments turned off or that must first moderate the comment before it appears.  What is the blogger afraid of?  That someone will say something snarky about them?  I just don&#039;t get it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate blogs that have comments turned off or that must first moderate the comment before it appears.  What is the blogger afraid of?  That someone will say something snarky about them?  I just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorelle VanFossen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorelle VanFossen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree and disagree with many of their points, without a doubt. They used me as an example of a &quot;successful&quot; non-self-hosted site which is in the counterpoint argument, which you should also have read.

As for stats, personally, while everyone loves their stats and wants to show them off, the point is that only a few stats influence readers. Let&#039;s put readers first and stop cluttering our sites with stuff we want that offers little or no value to readers.

I had a friend a long time ago who told me repeatedly that he didn&#039;t care what he looked like or how he looked. I told him that was fine for him, but the rest of us had to look at him and we didn&#039;t like what we were seeing. Bathing regularly would be a step in the right direction, as well as wearing clothes not covered with two weeks of lunch. Not big deals, and certainly of no interest to him, but the rest of us who had to be near him cared - a lot (holding our noses).

I look at blog clutter like stats the same way. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree and disagree with many of their points, without a doubt. They used me as an example of a &#8220;successful&#8221; non-self-hosted site which is in the counterpoint argument, which you should also have read.</p>
<p>As for stats, personally, while everyone loves their stats and wants to show them off, the point is that only a few stats influence readers. Let&#8217;s put readers first and stop cluttering our sites with stuff we want that offers little or no value to readers.</p>
<p>I had a friend a long time ago who told me repeatedly that he didn&#8217;t care what he looked like or how he looked. I told him that was fine for him, but the rest of us had to look at him and we didn&#8217;t like what we were seeing. Bathing regularly would be a step in the right direction, as well as wearing clothes not covered with two weeks of lunch. Not big deals, and certainly of no interest to him, but the rest of us who had to be near him cared &#8211; a lot (holding our noses).</p>
<p>I look at blog clutter like stats the same way. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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