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	<title>Comments on: Can We Work Together To Stop Comment Spam?</title>
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		<title>By: Oh, The Things Spammers Will Say</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/can-we-work-together-to-stop-comment-spam/#comment-705809</link>
		<dc:creator>Oh, The Things Spammers Will Say</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] against blogging spam is to use an anti-spam plug in like Akismet, Spam Karma, or Bad Behavior plus vigilance on your own [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blog Struggles: When Are Too Many Comments Too Many Comments? &#171; Lorelle on WordPress</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/can-we-work-together-to-stop-comment-spam/#comment-683851</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog Struggles: When Are Too Many Comments Too Many Comments? &#171; Lorelle on WordPress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Can We Work Together To Stop Comment Spam? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Importance of Comment Policy &#124; The Tao of Blogging to Wealth</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/can-we-work-together-to-stop-comment-spam/#comment-666413</link>
		<dc:creator>The Importance of Comment Policy &#124; The Tao of Blogging to Wealth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lorelle from Wordpress.com [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Raphy</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/can-we-work-together-to-stop-comment-spam/#comment-639611</link>
		<dc:creator>Raphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, ok thanks for letting me know.</description>
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		<title>By: Lorelle VanFossen</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/can-we-work-together-to-stop-comment-spam/#comment-638925</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorelle VanFossen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spammers change IP addresses more frequently than you change underwear. This is a known technique that doesn't work. A multi-fold technique that covers IP addresses, email, word filters, and other magical mystery sauce ingredients are necessary to filter out comment spam. The comment spam fighting tools I've listed in the article do that, and more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spammers change IP addresses more frequently than you change underwear. This is a known technique that doesn&#8217;t work. A multi-fold technique that covers IP addresses, email, word filters, and other magical mystery sauce ingredients are necessary to filter out comment spam. The comment spam fighting tools I&#8217;ve listed in the article do that, and more.</p>
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		<title>By: Raphy</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/can-we-work-together-to-stop-comment-spam/#comment-638745</link>
		<dc:creator>Raphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One way might be to block certain IP Adresses that are known to spam with a constantly updates Wordpress Plug-in. But that power could possibly be abused and such for other reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way might be to block certain IP Adresses that are known to spam with a constantly updates WordPress Plug-in. But that power could possibly be abused and such for other reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvonne Nicholson</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/can-we-work-together-to-stop-comment-spam/#comment-577056</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvonne Nicholson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for raising this question, Lorelle.

However, there already are Digg and Myspace spammers and the software they uses is more and more flexible to spam any social network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for raising this question, Lorelle.</p>
<p>However, there already are Digg and Myspace spammers and the software they uses is more and more flexible to spam any social network.</p>
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		<title>By: Alert: See How Comment Spam Is Getting Trickier To Spot - Dawud Miracle @ dmiracle.com -</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/can-we-work-together-to-stop-comment-spam/#comment-490338</link>
		<dc:creator>Alert: See How Comment Spam Is Getting Trickier To Spot - Dawud Miracle @ dmiracle.com -</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] why I&#8217;m siding with Lorelle: You cannot stop comment spam on your blog&#8230;Comment spam can only be stopped when comment [...]</description>
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		<title>By: analysis</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/can-we-work-together-to-stop-comment-spam/#comment-299869</link>
		<dc:creator>analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 14:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I'd like to point out to James that Google has started to fight the MFA sites - a huge number are being kicked out at the end of May, which I think will herald a new effort by Google to eliminate the spam/MFA sites eventually. I don't think Google's on the side of evil here; they can make more money through legit means, at least in the long run, and I think they're thinking about the long run. They've seen Yahoo's constant, furious cash-cow-milking and they've surely noticed how Google is now more successful than ad-laden, ethics-free Yahoo. 

Google does however move incredibly slowly as an organization, or so it seems from the outside. But I've also noticed that Froogle has disappeared from their named listings as that, too, has basically failed to keep out the mis-leaders and spammers. 

The best way to close down the spammers is to really close them down. I really liked the suggestion of shutting down web sites guilty of spam via browser, though I can easily see this being abused - that is, all I have to do to close down a competitor or get revenge on an enemy is to spam-promote their URL! Imagine what the Vietnam Veterans for Truth folk and their ilk would do with that. You'd see more spam for moveon.org than you'd have believed, and none of it would be from them... and I'm sure there'd be all sorts of manipulations like that. 

More direct might be a group of dedicated revenge artists going after the clear, human-judged spammers and SHUTTING THEM DOWN one way or the other.

But I think the real solution is to press for law enforcement to really get involved. That means pulling the FBI off their important jobs of investigating the Quakers and the Sierra Club, and putting them onto fighting organized crime again. Working with Interpol and other police organizations, they could make it very unprofitable for spammers anywhere in the civilized world. I suspect they could even go into Russia, China, and Nigeria (not to imply that these countries are uncivilized) and root out the worst spammers there. However, there needs to be a political will to do this, and unfortunately right now most people are not considering spam and organized crime as political issues. (Indeed, when it was revealed in Congressional hearings that Reagan's people had used the Mafia as friends and allies, there was absolutely no political fallout.) Instead, we have issues like abortion, gay marriage, profiteering, and war shaping political fights. 

I guess my conclusion after all this is that spam is a political struggle as much as a social and IT struggle. Going after the spammers in some clever, shut-them-down way might work; it seems to have worked in the past for e-mail spam on a limited basis. 

For that matter, rooting out Windows could even be helpful, since the great majority of spam is, or so I'm told, coming from compromised Windows computers. But then we'll need better security in Linux and OS X (both of which are apparently already far more secure than Windows, but do have vulnerabilities).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I&#8217;d like to point out to James that Google has started to fight the MFA sites - a huge number are being kicked out at the end of May, which I think will herald a new effort by Google to eliminate the spam/MFA sites eventually. I don&#8217;t think Google&#8217;s on the side of evil here; they can make more money through legit means, at least in the long run, and I think they&#8217;re thinking about the long run. They&#8217;ve seen Yahoo&#8217;s constant, furious cash-cow-milking and they&#8217;ve surely noticed how Google is now more successful than ad-laden, ethics-free Yahoo. </p>
<p>Google does however move incredibly slowly as an organization, or so it seems from the outside. But I&#8217;ve also noticed that Froogle has disappeared from their named listings as that, too, has basically failed to keep out the mis-leaders and spammers. </p>
<p>The best way to close down the spammers is to really close them down. I really liked the suggestion of shutting down web sites guilty of spam via browser, though I can easily see this being abused - that is, all I have to do to close down a competitor or get revenge on an enemy is to spam-promote their URL! Imagine what the Vietnam Veterans for Truth folk and their ilk would do with that. You&#8217;d see more spam for moveon.org than you&#8217;d have believed, and none of it would be from them&#8230; and I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;d be all sorts of manipulations like that. </p>
<p>More direct might be a group of dedicated revenge artists going after the clear, human-judged spammers and SHUTTING THEM DOWN one way or the other.</p>
<p>But I think the real solution is to press for law enforcement to really get involved. That means pulling the FBI off their important jobs of investigating the Quakers and the Sierra Club, and putting them onto fighting organized crime again. Working with Interpol and other police organizations, they could make it very unprofitable for spammers anywhere in the civilized world. I suspect they could even go into Russia, China, and Nigeria (not to imply that these countries are uncivilized) and root out the worst spammers there. However, there needs to be a political will to do this, and unfortunately right now most people are not considering spam and organized crime as political issues. (Indeed, when it was revealed in Congressional hearings that Reagan&#8217;s people had used the Mafia as friends and allies, there was absolutely no political fallout.) Instead, we have issues like abortion, gay marriage, profiteering, and war shaping political fights. </p>
<p>I guess my conclusion after all this is that spam is a political struggle as much as a social and IT struggle. Going after the spammers in some clever, shut-them-down way might work; it seems to have worked in the past for e-mail spam on a limited basis. </p>
<p>For that matter, rooting out Windows could even be helpful, since the great majority of spam is, or so I&#8217;m told, coming from compromised Windows computers. But then we&#8217;ll need better security in Linux and OS X (both of which are apparently already far more secure than Windows, but do have vulnerabilities).</p>
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		<title>By: Daria Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daria Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 14:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been thinking about this a little. As others have pointed out, spammers are somehow making money with the sending of spam. So we need to make is costly for them to do so. But that's not my idea. I'm wondering if there is someway to set up your blog to give spammers (via either ip or email address) a 404 header when they try to access your blog? Not a 403. A 403 just tells them that they are banned and they will just try another ip or email address. However, if a 404 header is sent telling them that the blog does not exist (when actually it does). I'm thinking that if they get a 404 a couple of times then they would actually remove the blog address from their program or whatever because it is not profitable to even try to post cause the blog is not "there".

I started thinking of this because I was wondering if there was a way to do it with email. Most of these spams have a link that they say will take your email out of their database but when you click the link and sign up really all you are doing it signing up for more spam. If there was someway to mimic an email bouncing as though the address did not exist then again, maybe they will take the address out of their database because the opportunity for profit is not there.

Hopefully this makes sense enough for someone to take it and run with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this a little. As others have pointed out, spammers are somehow making money with the sending of spam. So we need to make is costly for them to do so. But that&#8217;s not my idea. I&#8217;m wondering if there is someway to set up your blog to give spammers (via either ip or email address) a 404 header when they try to access your blog? Not a 403. A 403 just tells them that they are banned and they will just try another ip or email address. However, if a 404 header is sent telling them that the blog does not exist (when actually it does). I&#8217;m thinking that if they get a 404 a couple of times then they would actually remove the blog address from their program or whatever because it is not profitable to even try to post cause the blog is not &#8220;there&#8221;.</p>
<p>I started thinking of this because I was wondering if there was a way to do it with email. Most of these spams have a link that they say will take your email out of their database but when you click the link and sign up really all you are doing it signing up for more spam. If there was someway to mimic an email bouncing as though the address did not exist then again, maybe they will take the address out of their database because the opportunity for profit is not there.</p>
<p>Hopefully this makes sense enough for someone to take it and run with it.</p>
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