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		<title>By: Are You Abusing and Misusing Tags? &#171; Lorelle on WordPress</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/05/08/abuse-keyword-spamming-versus-tag-spamming/#comment-282588</link>
		<dc:creator>Are You Abusing and Misusing Tags? &#171; Lorelle on WordPress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 12:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Ultimate Tag Warrior WordPress Plugin &#171; Lorelle on WordPress</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/05/08/abuse-keyword-spamming-versus-tag-spamming/#comment-48206</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ultimate Tag Warrior WordPress Plugin &#171; Lorelle on WordPress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: One Year Anniversary Review: Keywords &#171; Lorelle on WordPress</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/05/08/abuse-keyword-spamming-versus-tag-spamming/#comment-33223</link>
		<dc:creator>One Year Anniversary Review: Keywords &#171; Lorelle on WordPress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: One Year Anniversary Review: Tags, Tagging, and Categories &#171; Lorelle on WordPress</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/05/08/abuse-keyword-spamming-versus-tag-spamming/#comment-32310</link>
		<dc:creator>One Year Anniversary Review: Tags, Tagging, and Categories &#171; Lorelle on WordPress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lorelle VanFossen</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/05/08/abuse-keyword-spamming-versus-tag-spamming/#comment-23243</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorelle VanFossen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;code&gt;rel="nofollow"&lt;/code&gt; tells a search engine to ignore the link. You can learn more at &lt;a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;WordPress Codex - Nofollow&lt;/a&gt;.

As stated in the article, yes, there is a potential for abuse with tags. As I have also said repeatedly, your blog will be more &lt;a href="http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/01/17/what-do-you-blog-about-check-your-tags/" title="What Do You Blog About? Check Your Tags" rel="nofollow"&gt;successful if it keeps to a specific topic&lt;/a&gt; instead of spread out all over the place. If &lt;a href="http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/01/15/dyi-search-engine-optimization/" title="DYI Search Engine Optimization" rel="nofollow"&gt;SEO&lt;/a&gt; is really critical to you, then focus, focus, focus.  

The question that really needs to be answered is also two-fold:

1) Are you really worried about your tags becoming abusive? Or other people's use of tags?

2) Are you really worried about all the people you attract to your blog getting upset because an inappropriately used word (or tag) brought them there? If so, then consider reading &lt;a href="http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/02/20/hook-line-and-sinker-luring-blog-traffic-to-stay/" title="Hook, Line and Sinker: Luring Blog Traffic to Stay" rel="nofollow"&gt;Hook, Line and Sinker: Luring Blog Traffic to Stay&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><code>rel="nofollow"</code> tells a search engine to ignore the link. You can learn more at <a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/nofollow" rel="nofollow">WordPress Codex - Nofollow</a>.</p>
<p>As stated in the article, yes, there is a potential for abuse with tags. As I have also said repeatedly, your blog will be more <a href="http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/01/17/what-do-you-blog-about-check-your-tags/" title="What Do You Blog About? Check Your Tags" rel="nofollow">successful if it keeps to a specific topic</a> instead of spread out all over the place. If <a href="http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/01/15/dyi-search-engine-optimization/" title="DYI Search Engine Optimization" rel="nofollow">SEO</a> is really critical to you, then focus, focus, focus.  </p>
<p>The question that really needs to be answered is also two-fold:</p>
<p>1) Are you really worried about your tags becoming abusive? Or other people&#8217;s use of tags?</p>
<p>2) Are you really worried about all the people you attract to your blog getting upset because an inappropriately used word (or tag) brought them there? If so, then consider reading <a href="http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/02/20/hook-line-and-sinker-luring-blog-traffic-to-stay/" title="Hook, Line and Sinker: Luring Blog Traffic to Stay" rel="nofollow">Hook, Line and Sinker: Luring Blog Traffic to Stay</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: ovidiu</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/05/08/abuse-keyword-spamming-versus-tag-spamming/#comment-23189</link>
		<dc:creator>ovidiu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi lorelle,

thx for pointing out this excellent article when I asked you about an opinion about tag spamming.

still there are 2 points I would like to point out:

a) there is legitimate use of tags which leads to tag spamming: you could have a sidebar containing the top 25 tags of your blog, which is a very legitimate use, but still spams every single of your posts wand pages with this pletora of tags, which are not relevant to all your posts.

b) what about this popular shoutboxes a lot of people have in their sidebar? After analizing my logs I found that people came to my site via google searching for strange keywords, only after noticing that some ppl. chatting on my site had mentioned those keywords I understood why my site came up for some very strange keywords.

In my opinion it would be great to have some way of telling search engines to ignore content between 2 tags, i.e. I would put my top25 tags and my shoutbox into [ignore] [/ignore] and all would be ok.

any ideas / opinions ?

regards
Ovidiu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi lorelle,</p>
<p>thx for pointing out this excellent article when I asked you about an opinion about tag spamming.</p>
<p>still there are 2 points I would like to point out:</p>
<p>a) there is legitimate use of tags which leads to tag spamming: you could have a sidebar containing the top 25 tags of your blog, which is a very legitimate use, but still spams every single of your posts wand pages with this pletora of tags, which are not relevant to all your posts.</p>
<p>b) what about this popular shoutboxes a lot of people have in their sidebar? After analizing my logs I found that people came to my site via google searching for strange keywords, only after noticing that some ppl. chatting on my site had mentioned those keywords I understood why my site came up for some very strange keywords.</p>
<p>In my opinion it would be great to have some way of telling search engines to ignore content between 2 tags, i.e. I would put my top25 tags and my shoutbox into [ignore] [/ignore] and all would be ok.</p>
<p>any ideas / opinions ?</p>
<p>regards<br />
Ovidiu</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Arkansas</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/05/08/abuse-keyword-spamming-versus-tag-spamming/#comment-8462</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike in Arkansas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 14:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure that I see the benefit in tags personally.  I don't use them on my web pages. The closest thing I use in any of my on-line material would be the WordPress "categories" for blogs.  I do use the tags in my del.ico.us for the purpose of sorting pages and being able to find them again later.  I seldom use the tags on anyone else's pages.

It troubles me a bit to realize that some folks are going to abuse use of them for search engine optimization.  

I generally don't have a problem with people trying to improve the ranking of their pages, so long as their pages have some content of value.  What I don't like is any kind of technique that inflates the ranking of pages that have little or no value at all except to their owner. I get very frustrated sometimes with the number of such pages that sometimes float to the top of some of my searches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that I see the benefit in tags personally.  I don&#8217;t use them on my web pages. The closest thing I use in any of my on-line material would be the WordPress &#8220;categories&#8221; for blogs.  I do use the tags in my del.ico.us for the purpose of sorting pages and being able to find them again later.  I seldom use the tags on anyone else&#8217;s pages.</p>
<p>It troubles me a bit to realize that some folks are going to abuse use of them for search engine optimization.  </p>
<p>I generally don&#8217;t have a problem with people trying to improve the ranking of their pages, so long as their pages have some content of value.  What I don&#8217;t like is any kind of technique that inflates the ranking of pages that have little or no value at all except to their owner. I get very frustrated sometimes with the number of such pages that sometimes float to the top of some of my searches.</p>
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		<title>By: leliathomas</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/05/08/abuse-keyword-spamming-versus-tag-spamming/#comment-8431</link>
		<dc:creator>leliathomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 01:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the definition of spam itself is the issue here. I've always been annoyed by people who said not to "stuff" or "overdo" on the keywords, because the fact is, you're trying to think from every perspective to reach all possible audiences. This doesn't mean you're trying to spam; it just means you're trying to reach further out. That said, if your article is about boating, there shouldn't be a "casino" tag anywhere near it. &lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt; is spam or unrelated material and is just a method of gaining traffic (not even remotely related traffic, so I don't understand the point, but still...). Splogs, obviously, fall into this because they tend to combine unrelated material and tags in the hopes of gaining fame/fortune.

I don't like the thought of regulating tags at all, though, because the whole point of tags was for it to be a human dictated experience. So what I might consider spam within a tag might not be what the author intends as spam. For instance, you might see a picture of clouds on Flickr, and the tag "happy" might be part of it. &lt;i&gt;You&lt;/i&gt; may not equate happiness to that picture, but does that mean that tag is violating any rule? Regulating tags might make them obsolete, because it would end up putting a select few in control of them or a machine in control of them. That defies the whole point. 

There are good and bad in every bunch. As in every day real life, why should we restrict those who have done no wrong? That's what we do when we make new standards. It's not as if we're making them for the violators; people will abuse, no matter the system. So why look to change or amend something that we're enjoying, simply because there are some spoilsports around? Block 'em/don't visit 'em, and move on, I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the definition of spam itself is the issue here. I&#8217;ve always been annoyed by people who said not to &#8220;stuff&#8221; or &#8220;overdo&#8221; on the keywords, because the fact is, you&#8217;re trying to think from every perspective to reach all possible audiences. This doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re trying to spam; it just means you&#8217;re trying to reach further out. That said, if your article is about boating, there shouldn&#8217;t be a &#8220;casino&#8221; tag anywhere near it. <i>That</i> is spam or unrelated material and is just a method of gaining traffic (not even remotely related traffic, so I don&#8217;t understand the point, but still&#8230;). Splogs, obviously, fall into this because they tend to combine unrelated material and tags in the hopes of gaining fame/fortune.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the thought of regulating tags at all, though, because the whole point of tags was for it to be a human dictated experience. So what I might consider spam within a tag might not be what the author intends as spam. For instance, you might see a picture of clouds on Flickr, and the tag &#8220;happy&#8221; might be part of it. <i>You</i> may not equate happiness to that picture, but does that mean that tag is violating any rule? Regulating tags might make them obsolete, because it would end up putting a select few in control of them or a machine in control of them. That defies the whole point. </p>
<p>There are good and bad in every bunch. As in every day real life, why should we restrict those who have done no wrong? That&#8217;s what we do when we make new standards. It&#8217;s not as if we&#8217;re making them for the violators; people will abuse, no matter the system. So why look to change or amend something that we&#8217;re enjoying, simply because there are some spoilsports around? Block &#8216;em/don&#8217;t visit &#8216;em, and move on, I say.</p>
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		<title>By: maxpower</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/05/08/abuse-keyword-spamming-versus-tag-spamming/#comment-8424</link>
		<dc:creator>maxpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 23:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  You can make a site look beautiful even though it contains garbage.  I just reported a beautiful splog today, and it made my day better.  I'm keeping track to see if google does anything -- I hope so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  You can make a site look beautiful even though it contains garbage.  I just reported a beautiful splog today, and it made my day better.  I&#8217;m keeping track to see if google does anything &#8212; I hope so!</p>
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		<title>By: Lorelle VanFossen</title>
		<link>http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/05/08/abuse-keyword-spamming-versus-tag-spamming/#comment-8422</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorelle VanFossen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 23:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reminder, maxpower. I wrote about it in &lt;a href="https://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/04/17/combining-ultimate-tag-warrior-with-jeromes-keywords-wordpress-plugins-meet-tags-in-the-head/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Combining the Ultimate Tag Warrior with Jeromes Keywords meets Tags in the Head WordPress Plugins&lt;/a&gt;. 

Putting tags in the head of your page is another method, using them like keywords. It doesn't help using tags as site search navigational aids.

Do not confuse splogs and abuse with looks or content. There are a lot of beautiful and clean looking sites which are very abusive. That's how they succeed, because people judge them on the surface, not for their abusive tendencies. Yes, in the end, the abusers will lose out, but don't confuse looks with good or bad. Evil is evil and it's to the bone, not the surface. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reminder, maxpower. I wrote about it in <a href="https://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/04/17/combining-ultimate-tag-warrior-with-jeromes-keywords-wordpress-plugins-meet-tags-in-the-head/" rel="nofollow">Combining the Ultimate Tag Warrior with Jeromes Keywords meets Tags in the Head WordPress Plugins</a>. </p>
<p>Putting tags in the head of your page is another method, using them like keywords. It doesn&#8217;t help using tags as site search navigational aids.</p>
<p>Do not confuse splogs and abuse with looks or content. There are a lot of beautiful and clean looking sites which are very abusive. That&#8217;s how they succeed, because people judge them on the surface, not for their abusive tendencies. Yes, in the end, the abusers will lose out, but don&#8217;t confuse looks with good or bad. Evil is evil and it&#8217;s to the bone, not the surface. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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